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	<description>From diagnosis and treatment to living with carcinoid cancer</description>
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		<title>By: Donn Schlossman</title>
		<link>http://eric.moonhaven.com.au/2007/11/06/lutetium-177-second-treatment-the-lab-rat/comment-page-1/#comment-5650</link>
		<dc:creator>Donn Schlossman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful info it is definitely. My friend has been looking for this update. Thank you;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful info it is definitely. My friend has been looking for this update. Thank you;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rose Masuda,  I have just been diagnosed with carcinoid tumors in my ilium.  Lutetium is currently not available in Toronto, Ontario.  I have heard that its approved/possibly funded in Alberta,  If you could give me any feedback on your experience and who to get in touch with i would be greatly appreciative.  starbucks7777@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rose Masuda,  I have just been diagnosed with carcinoid tumors in my ilium.  Lutetium is currently not available in Toronto, Ontario.  I have heard that its approved/possibly funded in Alberta,  If you could give me any feedback on your experience and who to get in touch with i would be greatly appreciative.  <a href="mailto:starbucks7777@gmail.com">starbucks7777@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rose...

Unfortunately I have been a bit lax in keeping my bloy up-to-date, which I will get on to doing later today!

The major side effect of the LU177 treatment at the time of treatment in generally just nausea.  Since it is being done under clinical conditions I would expect they will give you anti-nausea meds.  They only mistake I ever made was during one treatment I turned it down so I could stay awake and watch the Ashes (cricket).  The anti-nausea drugs did tend to make one quite sleepy. There were some additional meds given to protect the kidneys, etc.

I continued with anti-nausea drugs for about a week after treatment.  Later after-effects usually were worst about the 2nd or 3rd day after treatment.  Mostly lassitude, tiredness and general malaise.  In effect it is a very mild form of radiation sickness.  This wore off quickly and by the 5th day I usually felt better than I had before the treatment.

HOw you feel afterwards might be also impacted by what additional drugs they give you with the LU177.  In my case, the first treatment included capcetabine (sp?).  I had a severe agina reaction to that, and for consequent treatments that was not given to me.

Our treatments were generally done in groups of 4 (it was a clinical study).  We arrived early in the day patient clinic, had temps, BP, ect measured and a shunt put in each wrist for later use.  We were treated sequentually, so at the right times we were given some sort of tranquilising drug just to relax us, then a drug to protect the kidneys, pancreas, etc.  This was ollowed by some anti-nausea meds and then finally the LU177.  During the LU177 injection, they also had an injectible quick acting anti-nausea hooked up ready for use if required.  For me the whole event was not a problem, and except for a few moments (probably less than 30 seconds) of slight nausea during the injection, all quite uneventful.  We were kept in isolation for several hours, with hourly radiation readings taken and when they dropped sufficiently, we were released to go home.  The latest I ever left was about 4 in the afternoon (I was the last in the sequence that day).  The first person left about 2.

Hope this helps you.  Since I know nothing of the protocol they intend to use on you, I could be way off on what you are in for, but I suspect it will be very similiar.  These protocols have been published amongst the researchers and should be well enough known by your treating doctors.

BTW the results for most of the patients in the trials was very good.  In my case, because I could not tolerate the capcetabine, I did not have the tumour reduction my fellow particpants enjoyed, but it did stop the syndrome effects for about 2 years, and as of my last scans in November &#039;09, no tumour growth.  I just finished a new set of scans on Friday last week, so won&#039;t know the results of those for a few days, but I Will be posting in my blog.

Best wishes for a positive outcome,

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rose&#8230;</p>
<p>Unfortunately I have been a bit lax in keeping my bloy up-to-date, which I will get on to doing later today!</p>
<p>The major side effect of the LU177 treatment at the time of treatment in generally just nausea.  Since it is being done under clinical conditions I would expect they will give you anti-nausea meds.  They only mistake I ever made was during one treatment I turned it down so I could stay awake and watch the Ashes (cricket).  The anti-nausea drugs did tend to make one quite sleepy. There were some additional meds given to protect the kidneys, etc.</p>
<p>I continued with anti-nausea drugs for about a week after treatment.  Later after-effects usually were worst about the 2nd or 3rd day after treatment.  Mostly lassitude, tiredness and general malaise.  In effect it is a very mild form of radiation sickness.  This wore off quickly and by the 5th day I usually felt better than I had before the treatment.</p>
<p>HOw you feel afterwards might be also impacted by what additional drugs they give you with the LU177.  In my case, the first treatment included capcetabine (sp?).  I had a severe agina reaction to that, and for consequent treatments that was not given to me.</p>
<p>Our treatments were generally done in groups of 4 (it was a clinical study).  We arrived early in the day patient clinic, had temps, BP, ect measured and a shunt put in each wrist for later use.  We were treated sequentually, so at the right times we were given some sort of tranquilising drug just to relax us, then a drug to protect the kidneys, pancreas, etc.  This was ollowed by some anti-nausea meds and then finally the LU177.  During the LU177 injection, they also had an injectible quick acting anti-nausea hooked up ready for use if required.  For me the whole event was not a problem, and except for a few moments (probably less than 30 seconds) of slight nausea during the injection, all quite uneventful.  We were kept in isolation for several hours, with hourly radiation readings taken and when they dropped sufficiently, we were released to go home.  The latest I ever left was about 4 in the afternoon (I was the last in the sequence that day).  The first person left about 2.</p>
<p>Hope this helps you.  Since I know nothing of the protocol they intend to use on you, I could be way off on what you are in for, but I suspect it will be very similiar.  These protocols have been published amongst the researchers and should be well enough known by your treating doctors.</p>
<p>BTW the results for most of the patients in the trials was very good.  In my case, because I could not tolerate the capcetabine, I did not have the tumour reduction my fellow particpants enjoyed, but it did stop the syndrome effects for about 2 years, and as of my last scans in November &#8217;09, no tumour growth.  I just finished a new set of scans on Friday last week, so won&#8217;t know the results of those for a few days, but I Will be posting in my blog.</p>
<p>Best wishes for a positive outcome,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Masuda</title>
		<link>http://eric.moonhaven.com.au/2007/11/06/lutetium-177-second-treatment-the-lab-rat/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Masuda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m from Alberta, Canada and I will be receiving the LU177 treatment in Edmonton, Alberta shortly. I would like any info re: side effects etc. that you had during treatment. I would like to be prepared for what ever. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m from Alberta, Canada and I will be receiving the LU177 treatment in Edmonton, Alberta shortly. I would like any info re: side effects etc. that you had during treatment. I would like to be prepared for what ever. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Mack</title>
		<link>http://eric.moonhaven.com.au/2007/11/06/lutetium-177-second-treatment-the-lab-rat/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric
Thanks for the info! I know the treatment is available in Melbourne but the wait list is 12 months! There is no facility in Sydney (not enough money, my prof says) and there is a limited facility in Brisbane- treating only QLD residents....
I will try contacting Fremantle ...thanks so much for your help! Was the treatment overall successful for you? Can you have a second one at a later date?
Your blog is really inspirational, thank you!
Health and happiness,
Maria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric<br />
Thanks for the info! I know the treatment is available in Melbourne but the wait list is 12 months! There is no facility in Sydney (not enough money, my prof says) and there is a limited facility in Brisbane- treating only QLD residents&#8230;.<br />
I will try contacting Fremantle &#8230;thanks so much for your help! Was the treatment overall successful for you? Can you have a second one at a later date?<br />
Your blog is really inspirational, thank you!<br />
Health and happiness,<br />
Maria</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://eric.moonhaven.com.au/2007/11/06/lutetium-177-second-treatment-the-lab-rat/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maria,

Because the trials were sponsored by the state of WA (rather than a drug company), they had been available only to residents of WA, but I believe the treatment is now available in all capital cities.  I suggest you contact Harvey Turner directly, I am sure he can direct you to a clinic or hospital in NSW that can provide the lutiteum treatment or can tell you if it is now available to you in WA.  I really don&#039;t know anymore.  

His contact details are:

Prof. Harvey Turner 08 9431 2888  	jhturner@cyllene.uwa.edu.au

I hope this is helpful.

Best regards, Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maria,</p>
<p>Because the trials were sponsored by the state of WA (rather than a drug company), they had been available only to residents of WA, but I believe the treatment is now available in all capital cities.  I suggest you contact Harvey Turner directly, I am sure he can direct you to a clinic or hospital in NSW that can provide the lutiteum treatment or can tell you if it is now available to you in WA.  I really don&#8217;t know anymore.  </p>
<p>His contact details are:</p>
<p>Prof. Harvey Turner 08 9431 2888  	<a href="mailto:jhturner@cyllene.uwa.edu.au">jhturner@cyllene.uwa.edu.au</a></p>
<p>I hope this is helpful.</p>
<p>Best regards, Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://eric.moonhaven.com.au/2007/11/06/lutetium-177-second-treatment-the-lab-rat/comment-page-1/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric
I have pancreatic neuroendocrine metastes in the liver (11 small 6 larger) and need Lutiteum treatment urgently. We live near Sydney and wondering if Prof Turner will accept people from NSW and howlong is the wait list?
Thank you for your blog, it is very informative!
Keep getting well,
Maria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric<br />
I have pancreatic neuroendocrine metastes in the liver (11 small 6 larger) and need Lutiteum treatment urgently. We live near Sydney and wondering if Prof Turner will accept people from NSW and howlong is the wait list?<br />
Thank you for your blog, it is very informative!<br />
Keep getting well,<br />
Maria</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>janine,

Can you contact me via email please (eric@moonhaven.com.au).  Also, where do you live and who are the drs you are seeing now?  

you also might want to visit www.carcinoid.com.au .   This is a website my wife established some time ago and it&#039;s members (Aussies) will have recent info on doctors and treatments.

Stay well!

Eric Gully</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>janine,</p>
<p>Can you contact me via email please (eric@moonhaven.com.au).  Also, where do you live and who are the drs you are seeing now?  </p>
<p>you also might want to visit <a href="http://www.carcinoid.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.carcinoid.com.au</a> .   This is a website my wife established some time ago and it&#8217;s members (Aussies) will have recent info on doctors and treatments.</p>
<p>Stay well!</p>
<p>Eric Gully</p>
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		<title>By: janine bryce</title>
		<link>http://eric.moonhaven.com.au/2007/11/06/lutetium-177-second-treatment-the-lab-rat/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>janine bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric, I have of 6 months ago had a R hemicolectomy after being diagnosed with carcinoid of the iliem.  Prior to surgery it was expected that the tumor would be benign, however it was cancerous and also ? metastised to the omentum, I now find myself under the care of an oncologist.  I am very confused about the treatment, my oncologist says we do nothing and it is highly unlikely that this will be the death of me, I am very concerned as I am reading that I should be having biannual scans, blood tests and urine tests ??  Can you tell me who is the guru of carcinoid tumors in Australia, my oncologist doesnt seem to be listening to me.  Thanx for sharing your story with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric, I have of 6 months ago had a R hemicolectomy after being diagnosed with carcinoid of the iliem.  Prior to surgery it was expected that the tumor would be benign, however it was cancerous and also ? metastised to the omentum, I now find myself under the care of an oncologist.  I am very confused about the treatment, my oncologist says we do nothing and it is highly unlikely that this will be the death of me, I am very concerned as I am reading that I should be having biannual scans, blood tests and urine tests ??  Can you tell me who is the guru of carcinoid tumors in Australia, my oncologist doesnt seem to be listening to me.  Thanx for sharing your story with others.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Paterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Paterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Eric i am glad to hear of the success you have had with carcinoid. I have just been diagnoised with carcinoid syndrome. With an octreocide scan they have a positive result with a 4x5 cm area of intense uptake projected over the left lower thorax close to the diapham. A cardiac MRI was conducted to confirm te primary tumor is in fact in my heart. There is also abnormal increased uptake with in several other sites within the thorax. Anterior mediastinum at the T9/T10 level, the right at the T4 within the mediastinum,in the region of the left lobe of liver and 2 sites in the right lobe of the liver. Wow what a mouth full but i hope to get into some sort of clinical trials if a solution to my mess is not at hand. This Dr Turners name came to me via an oncology forum from an American site. My on oncologist has refered me to the Peter Mac Institute in Melbourne and has not even mentioned this Dr of yours. Any information that you could provide would be much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eric i am glad to hear of the success you have had with carcinoid. I have just been diagnoised with carcinoid syndrome. With an octreocide scan they have a positive result with a 4&#215;5 cm area of intense uptake projected over the left lower thorax close to the diapham. A cardiac MRI was conducted to confirm te primary tumor is in fact in my heart. There is also abnormal increased uptake with in several other sites within the thorax. Anterior mediastinum at the T9/T10 level, the right at the T4 within the mediastinum,in the region of the left lobe of liver and 2 sites in the right lobe of the liver. Wow what a mouth full but i hope to get into some sort of clinical trials if a solution to my mess is not at hand. This Dr Turners name came to me via an oncology forum from an American site. My on oncologist has refered me to the Peter Mac Institute in Melbourne and has not even mentioned this Dr of yours. Any information that you could provide would be much appreciated.</p>
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